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  1. Is also nicely explained in a self-training course here: “Unobtrusive JavaScript”:

    I’ve been pushing this idea for years, but I think it would be interesting to go a bit more into depth about what it means these days. Obtrusive techniques tend to get used not because people don’t want to do the right thing but because of performance and availability concerns. I find myself for example working with assisstive technology to have to resort to terrible hacks as browsers have moved on but screen readers haven’t.

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  2. Thanks for the article, I have to always remind people who think they know Javascript well, there is a better way to script it. Keep it unobtrusive and use graceful degradation to make your websites accessible!

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  3. Great article!

    Lately I see myself using ID’s and Classes more and more. Not just for CSS but also for Javascript.  It makes the content a lot more explicit and allows the behaviors to be added and tweaked without changing the content.

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  4. This has been a great series and I appreciate you adding the point about keeping style declarations out of the javascript. A lot of times this point is forgotten, and it’s a main concern for keeping the structure, function, and style separated.

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  5. These articles are great, but they miss one big point: javascript isn’t the same in every browser, and dealing with its differences can quickly drive you mad.

    If a developer uses a framework such as Dojo or (my favorite) jQuery, the experience will be much better for them and their users.

    They will write code faster with less time spent on cross-browser debugging. And their code will perform better and be more consistent for the end user.

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  6. I use JQuery for everything. It makes JS fun

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  7. I still don’t see the difference between PE (Progressive Enhancement) and Graceful Degradation. I use everything you say that’s supposed to be “PE” (except having 9 different CSS-files) however i just call it good and professional design or a word that i often use with clients “Long term and responsible design that will work in the future and in the now no matter what device a person is using”.

    Isn’t it really common these days to think:
    1. Content (layer 1, without this nothing else “work”)
    2. Structure (layer 2)
    3. Design (layer 3)
    4. Script (layer 4)

    Or is that just from the graphic design and advertising business where “Content is king” and everything after that is just to _ADD_ to the content?

    I still see it as GD though since the optimal experience is with all the different layers active and everything beneath that is just to cater…. however it can as well be PE since it’s made in such a way that everything always is focused at Layer 1 - The Content, the god, the center of everything and if that works well and if the coding is done correctly it will just “work”.

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  8. #7:

    The difference between the two ostensibly similar methodologies here is only that their names demonstrate the intended approach. Graceful Degradation suggests the building of a feature-rich, all-singing, all-dancing site, and ensuring it still works acceptably on browsers with limited functionality.

    The term Progressive Enhancement on the other hand, seems to indicate the building of a basic, solid site and then adding script functionality to offer a greater user experience.

    Whilst the end result should be the same in both cases, the intended routes inferred from the names are very different.

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  9. Thanks for the brilliant article. Very useful and explains very clearly how to hijack the DOM.

    As others have mentioned, I think that the lack of a mention of frameworks was a shame, I use jQuery for my projects. Perhaps frameworks could be the topic of a next article?

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  10. Thanks for the brilliant article! Progressive Enhancement and Graceful Degradation are two critical aspects of Javascript. However, it up to you to put it to good use!

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  11. I agree with the above people who love jQuery, it’s perfect for this.

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  12. I like this article.  There is something that feels so right when seperating things out like this.

    I still struggle with one thing though - the content jump.  The page loads with all HTML needed and then JS comes along to do whatever you need it to do.  Often this may be hiding some panels so they can be expanded by the user.  So you see the content while the page is loading then it moves/toggles/disappears.  Has anyone got a graceful way to get around this while keeping with ultimate separation of JS only in external files?

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  13. @Alex Bobin: you need to apply the JS before the content is rendered.

    I suspect you’re applying your JS when the onload event for the document kicks in.

    Switching to the ondomready event will sort things out. This event is fired when the DOM has finished loading and before the content is rendered - any JS changes you make are applied before anything is displayed to the user.

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  14. I realize ??A List Apart?? is catering to a wide audience, but this article seems a bit on the basic side. For anyone who has been reading ALA for a while, or who read Jeremy Keith’s DOM Scripting book, has been using these techniques as second nature for quite a while.

    How about some juicy details, like “techniques for keeping your presentation out of your scripts”?

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  15. That you wrote for scroll. This article does seem to be on the basic side. would love to read more about progressive enhancement.

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  16. Nothing you’re saying is *wrong*, per se, but it’s a bit outdated.  As others have noted, this sort of work is best accomplished with the use of a JS toolkit.  I, too, am a JQuery fan, but there are plenty of other very good, very small ones out there. 

    You’re doing your readers a disservice by not discussing toolkits (presumably in an attempt to avoid advocating any particular one).  There’s no good reason for this.

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  17. I’ll point out that, under some circumstances, there are perfectly good reasons for using inline JS rather than included external JS files.  Inline JS can produce rendered elements faster (if the DOM is ready for it or not needed) and can eliminate the need for an extra HTTP trip, resulting in speedier page loads.

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  18. Supporting what Tom said above; if building a site with an MVC framework, frequently the place for some of the javascript is inline in the view it forms part of.

    Keeps the view itself atomic, and also reduces the number of http requests.

    Load your framework in the head, having concatenated all your plugins to give one .js include, then inline the code that uses that framework at the appropriate point. (this code is specific to that view, so it belongs with or in that view…)

    And yes; as said above, use onDomReady - by using a framework that handles this for you. I honestly believe that only 2 breeds of programmer use bare javascript now; those writing frameworks, and masochists.

    Write your page with everything displayed, then use javascript to collapse / hide / emellish elements you want to - therefore meaning that no-js users get a full page of content. (just like if you markup your menu as a list, no-css users still get a usable menu, just ugly. no-js users should get a usable menu, just with all the levels displayed all the time, for example)

    Don’t add content in javascript; that means no-js users miss out on it entirely.

    Remember that you can have classes and ids that are only there for javascript to pick up on, and that you can also have classes in your CSS that are only there for javascript to assign and remove dynamically - this is much more maintainable than writing to the style attribute in your javascript.

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  19. Interesting article, but i also agree with the JQuery fans such as Tom Lee. Nowadays I see very little need for custom JavaScript in applications when libraries such as JQuery are so well established and stable?

    Would may be good is the next article showing how progressive enhancement can be achieved with minimal code and the use of such a library?

    I admit that some larger clients will prefer not to use an “off the shelf” solution but if they are going to save time on development costs there is a logical argument for this to be the way forward.

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  20. Let me get this straight. The ideas is to replace the inline onClick event with an ID, right? Then manipulate it with getElementById? That’s genius! *LightBulb=On* What a simple, yet powerful technique. The other ideas are great and are already incorporated into my modus operandi. But I smell a forth article on this subject coming soon, yes? I’m sure there’s more to this story.

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  21. Jus thought I’d mention a brilliant tool for when you’re going round looking for obtrusive scripts to remove: the “Obtrusive JavaScript Checker”: Firefox extension.

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  22. From the article:

    _Approaching the challenge in this way, you have not only met the requirements, but you have also provided a “lo-fi”? experience for search engine spiders and users without JavaScript._

    Providing a “lo-fi” experience sure sounds a lot like graceful degredation to me.

    In modern web development, I how can someone plan rich interactions by not thinking about rich interactions from the beginning? Planning rich interactions using Javascript and providing a low-fi experience is still graceful degredation.

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  23. This was a great article.

    In the last full sentence of the second paragraph under *Establishing a baseline*, did you mean to say load it on the “client side” instead of “server side”?

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  24. I get Progressive Enhancement. It’s logical. It makes sense. It’s orderly, methodical, principled, and even elegant. I can see the advantage for site maintenance and modification. PE strives for capability inclusion and flexibility . . . for (it seems) relatively simple content, that is, content with limited or lenient interactivity requirements.

    One of the principles stated as underlying PE is that the basic content and functionality of a site is preserved at all levels of “enhancement.” That is not true for sites that *require* a given level of interactivity. PE seems to fulfill its purpose for sites where interactivity is the icing, not the cake.

    How does PE uphold its promise for web applications, whose sole purpose is to provide a highly interactive, application-level web interface to solve a given problem? Sure, the principles of PE can still be used as a developer paradigm, but the end result will not provide basic functionality at all levels of “enhancement.” Doesn’t that fail to honor a PE principle?

    If a site can not progress enough to enable its minimum functionality, what good does it do to cater to lo-fi? This question points out one difference in principle between Graceful Degradation and Progressive Enhancement. With GD, developers readily tell the user, “You don’t have what it takes to run this app.” With PE, developers are supposed to provide basic functionality at all levels of capability and only say, “It gets better from here!”

    I like the idea of PE. What I’m wrestling with is seeing it as the sole paradigm for web development, unless the developer just likes the orderly approach (which I do).

    Thanks for the very informative and clearly written articles.

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  25. Very clear and usefull, thanks for share it with us.

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